1000 de cat

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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby IlPrincipeBrutto » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:27 am

I truly admire your ingenuity BM.
Don't know if it's possible at all, but it would be nice to have a video/sound file to hear the final result of your labour.

Ride Safe,
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby GED » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:05 pm

IlPrincipeBrutto wrote:I truly admire your ingenuity BM.
Don't know if it's possible at all, but it would be nice to have a video/sound file to hear the final result of your labour.

Ride Safe,
FILM IT AND STICK IT ON U TUBE PICTURES AND SOUND ;-)
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby boilermaker » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:48 pm

Will try and do as requested when I find out how!
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby boilermaker » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:39 am

Just to keep you up to date, I am still wading through molasses as far as the Lambda sensor is concerned. The number on the factory fitted item is a Japan home market number and even the NGK europe man could not identify a positive equivalent in this country. Ian at Grahams motorcycles tells me that he is pursuing the same path and also a source of cheaper/better pencil coils. Maybe one of our American cousins/correspondents can have better luck? the NGK number on the sensor body is OTD-3J-5C1. The confusing aspect of the whole matter is that the wiring colours/colors are those of a Zircon probe, whilst the OTD prefix refers to a Titanate probe (I am told).
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby boilermaker » Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:48 pm

To all
More Molasses, the number that I gave in the last posting was incorrect. We are back to square 1 and the only reliable number on the sensor body itself being 05LS002. Also written on the cable shroud are SAGEM (the ECU manufacturer) and NTK Japan. The NGK UK man and I are proceeding on the ussumption that the sensor will be similar to the type used by Triumph on their SAGEM MC1000 equipped machines. It does not help that SAGEM no longer exist (now Johnston Controls Ltd) and MZ ditto. Jens Koerner would have been a great help here.
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby boilermaker » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:07 pm

to all
Fially managed to get some photos of the cat removal procedure on to the photo gallery in the modern MZ section or members photo section. Give it a view if you are interested.
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby tomtom » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:52 pm

See what you mean about being restrictive. Looks more like a furred up water pipe.
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby mzsrus » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:05 am

hi all,

can anyone explain whats the diff without the cataltyic convertors?

and cant you just buy/make new exhausts like John up in midlands, he has had a pair of exhausts made for under £500 i think anf omg its loud as my remus race cans and goes like the stink, well off the clock,

bfn miserable andy in brecon beacons where its raining on my first day off in 14 days and mz dont go out in rain :D

byeeeeeeeeeeee

now stuck on 14 mz, need another old pre 70 one to buy :D
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby mzsrus » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:06 am

hi all,

can anyone explain whats the diff without the cataltyic convertors?

and cant you just buy/make new exhausts like John up in midlands, he has had a pair of exhausts made for under £500 i think and omg its loud as my remus race cans and goes like the stink, well off the clock,

bfn miserable andy in brecon beacons where its raining on my first day off in 14 days and mz dont go out in rain :D

byeeeeeeeeeeee

now stuck on 14 mz, need another old pre 70 one to buy :D
Owner of 10 old mz bikes from 1956 to 1976
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby GED » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:26 am

cats ,cause a loss in power and a decrease in fuel economy,will be removing mine when i get a week off work
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby GED » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:31 am

boilermaker wrote:to all
Fially managed to get some photos of the cat removal procedure on to the photo gallery in the modern MZ section or members photo section. Give it a view if you are interested.
george ,in your opinion ,how possible is it to remove the cats without cuting the pipe in half,in other words to try and drill/ chisel them out bit by bit,
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby tomtom » Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:14 pm

boilermakers pics
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cat cut in halfshowing cat internals
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby boilermaker » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:00 pm

Tom/ged
Thanks for uploading photos,
Ged The one photo that is not on this string (look in gallery) is the one showing you that the catalyst is in a length of straight pipe with reducing cones at both ends, so I did not cut the pipe in half but cut off one of the reducing cones (concentric/eccentric reducers in pipefitting parlance). If you make the cut as close as possible (or even through) the weld connecting the outer cone to the cat chamber you will have a fair thickness for the re-weld, and the cut will not go through the matrix (possibly causing toxic dust to arise) Although the reducer should be reasonably concentric on one cat, it is offset on the other, so it is imperative to witness mark the items before cutting. Use the thinnest slitting disc or narrow blade power hacksaw maintaining constant pressure throughout the cut (it is stainless). Then find a friend with a TIG set and some 316L filler wire and get him to weld the ends back on when you have removed ALL TRACES of the matrix.
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby tomtom » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:20 pm

photo boilermaker refers to
You can buy stainless steel cutting discs for an angle grinder which are really thin at toolstation/screwfix

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What do you do at mot time, boilermaker, if you don't have a cat now :?:
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Re: 1000 de cat

Postby boilermaker » Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:00 pm

tom
As far as I know machines of the age of mine (2006) are not subject to emission tests.
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